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JC
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posted 03-03-2001 01:02 PM
this Idea does Rock!! and rollllllla TJdesmond, although I like your idea the problem is that A&R folk at your favorite record company do have nice sound systems with the latest high end monitors, So you do want to produce somthing with high end monitors, remember what you might hear on your home stereo (which you like and are use too) sound different with top notch monitors. I went through this, where my CD collection was played on a great sound system and open my ears to things I didn't hear on my home stereo.so you want to keep that in mind.My little studio trick , Is that I love to record some guitar parts to a tape machine to get that analog warm saturated sound and bounce it to my VS.(synced up-via time code) with the right adjustments it does a great job in warming up the vs. JC
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LarryG
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posted 03-04-2001 12:51 PM
Tip: In the system parameter section, set the switch to peak hold. It'll help to keep you aware of your levels and avoid an "over." Still, always remember to use your ears and critically listen for distortion after each track.Yours was a great idea about this thread, KaptainK. Congrats! I also read the article in Home Recording, but it didn't occur to me to apply it to our species of recorders. Thanks for suggesting it! LarryG
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Hano
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posted 03-06-2001 04:20 AM
This is a great topic. __________________________________________________ * You want 3 BAND Equalising available ALL the TIME ? * -------------------------------------------------- Make some Use of the EZ-Routings: ----------------------------------------The selection "EZ BOUNCING" will provoke that you AUTOMATICLY have that 3-Band EQ available. After having recorded, I arm the (EZ)"USE User routing", and I start mixing. That is how I use my recorder all the time these days. (Me = a lazy bastard) I just push the red buttons OUT and save the USER routing (under the EZ-Routings => Push parameters. (Change the numbers with the jogwheel if needed). When I'm ready mixing I push the red buttons for channels 7&8 ON, and I Do-Da-Bounce. I love this most recent way of working. I hope that some of you find it usefull. Hano [This message has been edited by Hano (edited 03-06-2001).]
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3rdstorymuse
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posted 03-06-2001 11:00 AM
This tip is really for newbies I guess. When you create a new song, all the status buttons are lit up. First thing to do: Turn them all off, and pull the faders all the way down. As you begin to record, you will only be working with the track(s) that are active, and it is simply much easier to see what's what if inactive tracks, and their status buttons are visibly off. Also learn to use - and know the difference - between "pre level" and "post level" in the display. It really makes a difference when playing back and mixing. "Play list" is a handy display too, though early on I had no idea what all those lines meant, especially in the middle of a song, where it appeared that nothing was happening. "Play list" is an odd description. It should be named "Track Data" or something like that, because it shows in a linear fashion if there is any data recorded on a track. It is useful in conjunction with the status buttons. Let's say I pull up a song I haven't worked on in a while. I see that the track status button on tracks 1-6 are lit. But as I listen (in "post level" display), I don't see a signal in the meter for the first minute of a song on track 6. Hmmm. Is there anything on track 6? If I fast forward during the "play list" display, I can visually see that track 6 is used - only in certain spots - like a vocal harmony in a chorus. It's faster than having to listen solo to track 6 to find out if and where data may be recorded. [This message has been edited by 3rdstorymuse (edited 03-07-2001).]
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VKTIM
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posted 03-08-2001 01:11 PM
GREAT IDEA!I KNOW THIS TIP IS PROBABLY TOO SIMPLE FOR ALL THE ELITE'S OUT THERE, BUT THIS "NEWBIE" STRUGGLED IN ASSIGNING INPUTS 'TIL I MADE A STANDARD ROUTINE TO ALWAYS PUSH THE ORANGE STATUS BUTTON FOR THAT TRACK AND THEN "CLEAR" BEFORE PUSHING THE SAME ORANGE STATUS BUTTON AND THE INPUT BUTTON TO USE. REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT IS SAME INPUT/CHANNEL OR NOT. THIS IS NOT MUCH OF A TIP, BUT IT'S ABOUT ALL I'VE LEARNED IN 4 MONTHS! VKTIM
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Zoddman
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posted 03-08-2001 01:18 PM
Setting up a new song each time you start something is time consuming and after building up a head of creative steam, it's a real drag reseting up the mixer (like the sped up video in the turbo start video...that cracks me up! "Now set up the mixer..." as the roland rep's hand fly at 10X speed over the controls making no less than 20 adjustments..)So, what I do is get it set up, and I just go to the end of the song, and put a tap there. If I want to just burn one song, I copy that part to a new song. That way i can just keep going till I run out of disk space on the partition.
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Mog
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posted 03-09-2001 11:43 AM
An Inspired thread topic Kaptain....if I may add a couple: 1) The dynamic effects like compression & delay, etc should always be INSERT and not POST....otherwise the dreaded 'tubey' sound is your result. Having said that I still sometimes use POST on Comp A66 - particularly in some parts of a drum kit - and the result seems a positve enhancement2) A great tip - and not of my origin - is the idea to use a short length of black (well looks techy)pipe insulation over a snare or high-hat mike to reduce the ammount of bleed from other parts of the kit. You have to 'bury' the mike head about 2" inside the pipe but it really does cut down some of the HF bleed Hope you get to the magic 100....now that 100th tip has got to be reeeeeally special ! Nice one !...cheers Moggy
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jnorman
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posted 03-09-2001 12:31 PM
the best thing i ever learned about on the VS was EZ routing. i struggled for quite a while trying to understand the arcane nature of setting up complicated routings for mixdown with effects,having to do it using a long detailed set of instructions - it was just too confusing for a dumb-bunny like me, and so totally different than the way i was taught to think using analog gear. then one day, i discovered EZ routing templates - AHA! i never had to think about, or worry about, complex mixdown and effects routings ever again - it was as simple as pie. i quickly created a few user-routings specific to my common needs, and whenevr i bounced, mixed, or mastered, i just called up one of my preset routings, with effects, tweaked it bit as needed, and off it went - it saved me so much grief and time. the second thing that always bothered me was the immense amount of time required to convert and burn an audio CD using the CD-RII - what a pain! i finally broke down and spent just over $400 to buy a new tascam cd-rw700 stand alone CD burner, and now i mixdown in realtime to it - holy mackeral, it is a million times faster and easier. i still use the CD-RII to do data backups on.
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Wish
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posted 03-09-2001 12:42 PM
Here's one from LarryLurex (aka Josh B) that I saved:Assigning a track to itself: Yep, if the button is flashing red and green you have assigned the track to itself. First, here's HOW a track is assigned to itself. With the fader/input button green, and the track's status button orange, you hold down the track status and press the same channel's select button. The status button will then flash red and green and another track will be disarmed. Now, here's how to fix it: With the track status green, and the fader/edit green, press the track's status button and when it's select button flashes, press it. This will unroute the track from itself. Now, here's how to route an INPUT to a track. With the appropriate track status button orange, and the fader/edit also orange, hold down the track status button, and select your input with one of the select buttons. There you go! You see, it's the whole fader/edit button that will determine whether you assign a TRACK to a track, or an INPUT to a track. When that button is orange, you will be assigning an input, when it's green, you will be assigning a track. Now, having said all this, you can use the assigning-tracks-to-themselves thing to your benefit. Ever wanted to double a track EASILY without having to use up 3 track just to do that (1 original track, 1 for the double, and 1 to bounce them to)? Well, just assign a track to itself and you can layer on as many parts to that same track as you'd like! And if you goof up one of the layers, just UNDO it! I use this trick all the time! It's great for layering on thick vocal harmonies and things when you're short on track space.
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Wish
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posted 03-13-2001 11:28 PM
Here's some more good stuff I saved (from FTF and someone else I can't identify),VARIPITCH Rate = Key = Semitone 49.67 = B = +2 46.72 = A# = +1 44.10 = A = 0 41.59 = G# = -1 39.41 = G = -2 37.00 = F# = -3 34.93 = F = -4 32.97 = E = -5 31.33 = D# = -6 29.58 = D = -7 27.84 = C# = -8 26.31 = C = -9 24.78 = B = -10 23.47 = A# = -11 22.05 = A = -12 . i'm an okay guitar and keyboard player, but recording at halfspeed ,returning to 44.1..i'm Steve Morse and Keith Emerson ! (i know...cheater !) of course , speeding up the pitch when recording a vocal helps you to hit those Barry White-range bass notes..slowing down while recording provides instant soprano and is much less painful than castration. Thanx for the table !
Good stuff FTF! Thanx mon! I use the Vari-Speed constantly for doubling rhythm guitars and layering harmony vocals. You can easily turn a 3-piece harmony into a 9-piece choir by recording 3 different Vari-Speed takes of each harmony. In case you have trouble understanding what I mean here's an example: Record the first harmony at 44.1k (A), then set the Vari-Speed to 39.41k (G) and record the same harmony line again. Next, set the Vari-Speed to 49.67k (B) and record the harmony line one more time. Return to 44.1k and adjust the levels and listen to the result. Do the same for the second and third harmonies and there's your 9-piece harmony section. No, bouncing doesn't do it. You have to record it 3 seperate times, each time at a different Vari-speed. This is easy to do and you don't have to use up 3 tracks for each harmony because you can bounce the track in place while recording and mixing in the 2nd and 3rd layers of the harmony* (See tip above). *Note, not the 3 harmony lines, but the 3 layers of each harmony line! It takes some practice to get in sync with the original vocal but once you've done it a few times it gets easier. Like anything else, practice makes perfect.
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kaptaink
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posted 03-20-2001 12:12 PM
I'm cutting and pasting this from MOG's thread. Hope he doesn't mind me giving him the glory for his research! Here is a great tip that Roland have now come back to me with (excuse the syntax) To INSERT globally (that means select ALL your tracks & Vs) what you do is:- - TRACK , - select INSERT from the list - turn the twiddley wheel until you get *-* that apparently selects everything.
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Mog
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posted 03-21-2001 09:45 AM
Inserting some extra time into your song or at the begining is OK if you only have 8 tracks in use. If you've got something like 45 V tracks armed then, as I've just found out, trying to shift that lot individually - for a new intro - is mega tedious and takes eons of time.Enter GLOBAL INSERT !!!!(captures all the tracks )....Kaptaink kindly put in this thread but may I just clarify it as Roland's instructions were correct but left out quite a bit. Here goes..... - from TRACK menu select INSERT - display will show ?-? ?-? so push, say, track 1 button.........display changes to 1-1 ?-? - spin the wheel of fortune 'till its last position where the display shows *-* (means all)...press YES - at this point, the display flashes all the tracks and V tracks - push PARAMETER > and display now says TRK TO....this is confusing because it really means 'where' ie; where do you want the insert to start from -use a LOC button or the wheel to put in your desired start point -press PARAMETER > again...it now says TRK LEN...meaning LENgth or how long do you want the insert - use a LOC button or the wheel to put in the time where the insert will end - press PARAMETER again....press YES...and Pooofffff !!...its done...all those 64 tracks have been 'moved' Unfortunately, I can't get this global *-* to work in the MOVE command...ah well... Hope this works for you guys cheers Moggy [This message has been edited by Mog (edited 03-21-2001).]
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